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Inside Gusto's Founding Story | Co-Founder & CTO Eddie Kim

Jun 6, 2026 · 54:31

Eddie Kim, co-founder and CTO of Gusto, reveals how the company grew from a 2012 YC startup called ZenPayroll to $1B in annual revenue and 500,000 customers by cracking the small business market against investor skepticism. He credits the 15-year co-founder relationship with Josh Reeves and Tomer London to shared values and radical directness, arguing that packaging feedback undermines trust. Kim describes building Gusto Co-Founder, an AI agent that automates back-office tasks via chat, with a team of five in eight weeks using Claude Code, embodying how the distinction between engineer and designer disappears. He calls the blank canvas problem AI's main barrier to mainstream adoption and predicts solopreneurs will thrive as AI enables anyone to become a builder.

Why Hand-Typing Code Will End Your Career in 2026

Mar 2, 2026 · 49:31

Dan Shipper, co-founder and CEO of Every, argues that AI agents like OpenClaw and vibe coding—prompting apps in English—are fundamentally reshaping how companies operate, from internal workflows to product development. Every, a 20-person company running four AI-native products (Quora, Spiral, Sparkle, Monologue), treats failed software experiments as content that builds distribution, and uses a 'two-slice team' approach where each product is managed by one person. Shipper details how he reclaimed the 'founder' title for legitimacy, the four-year 'flatline' period before the AI wave hit, and why over-hiring early is 'crazy—most of the time it doesn't end well.' He advises founders to automate every internal process with AI and build for both humans and agents.